December 1, 2003

Dear Gair Rhydd...

Wrote to the student newspaper gair rhydd today. (btw, that link is practically useless, there's nothing there. I plan to offer up my services next semester and help get them sorted.)


In issue #752, they said (after I'd corrected some of their typos)...

"Inequality in leisure facilities"

After a long history of living in a male dominated society it appears that Cardiff is harbouring its very own little matriarchy.

gair rhydd has discovered that Cardiff's only municipal swimming pool, the Maindy swimming baths, is offering a service which can be described as none other than sexist. They hold women-only pool sessions on numerous evenings; however, when questioned it was found that they had absolutely no plans to extend this service to men-only pool sessions. They justify this decision by acknowldeging that women often feel insecure about their bodies and would rather swim in a single sex atmosphere.

On the surface, this policy may appear reasonable; it provides women with a chance to escape uncomfortable male gazes when clad in relatively little. However, when you reassess the situation, you can see that their policy is basically sexist.

In a society where image is everything it is ignorant to believe that men are not susceptible to the same insecurities as women. The incidence of male anorexia has grown rapidly in the last few years providiing evidence for the simple truth that beneath a layer of masculinity and testosterone, men may be just as anxious about their bodies as women, especially considering how 'laddish' young women's attitudes have become. In light of this, offering male-only swimming sessions does not seem such a ridiculous idea.

Of course our patriarchal society does not judge male appearance as brutally as it does women's; their status can be defined in terms of occupation, activities and possessions while women are still evaluated soley on their exterior. Still, women seem to have no problem with this; you only have to go to a meat market nightclub on a Saturday night to see hundreds of women quite happy to flaunt their assets by adopting the minimalist approach to clothing.

The other reason given for this disgraceful inequality is that Muslim women wish to use the pool and cannot do so in front of men. Well, I'm sorry, but this is a Christian country and we should stop pandering to the 'rights' of ethnic minorities at the expense of the indigenous male population who have paid their council tax and would like to be able to use the pool also. Equal oppurtunities is fine, but preferential treatment based on religion is wrong. After all, should one of us go to a Muslim country, we would be unable to have a few beers, which is an important part of our culture. You see, the multicultural ideal only goes one way, and most of us are fed up to the back teeth of it.

If they feel so strongly that they need separation of the sexes, maybe local Islamic organisations could build their own private swimming pool without any assistance from the taxpayer?

In conclusion, with the rise of equal oppurtunities, surely this preference of women over men must be regarded as outrageous prejudice?


I said....

Dear gair rhydd,

Whilst I agree, with reservations, that the swimming pool's policy is highly questionable, there are many arguments contained in this article that I find highly objectionable.

I agree that it is unreasonable to assume that men will automatically feel more secure about their bodies, but female insecurity is far more frequent on a scale that this article fails to recognise. Male anorexia may well be on the rise, but they still account for a bare 6% of cases in eating disorder clinics. Men are generally considerably overweight before developing the full disorder as well, whereas women are usually within 90% of ideal body weight prior to illness. The occurence of female eating disorders truly dwarfs that of male, and the argument for the practicality of men-only sessions is thus severely weakened.

I'd also like to point out that women at your average "meat market nightclub" are hardly representative of the entire gender. You say "women are still evaluated soley on their exterior." I do not believe the situation to be quite so dior. Maybe I'm deluding myself on the matter, but in any case your following statement that "women seem to have no problem with this" is even more outrageous. I don't know which women you've been talking to, but I know few women, or even men, that would be pleased by such a situation were it to prove a serious actuality. Maybe this is indeed your problem, and you struggle to find women to talk to. Hard to believe, what with your self-righteous, somewhat sexist and blatantly racist views.

Considering you are attempting to condemn what you term a "disgraceful inequality," you seem remarkably comfortable skipping right over the more general appearance-based discrimination you believe the world to be based upon. Obviously the supposed subjugation of half the world's population based on gender and appearance is immaterial when compared to the overwhelming sufferance endured at the inconceivably inconsiderate timetabling of the municipal swimming pool.

Your support and indignation on the topic of equal oppurtunities would seem to be incredibly selective. Your disregard of the 'rights' of ethnic minorities borders on offensive. The impression of your views gathered from these few paragraphs is that equal oppurtunities is all very well as long as it is not at all inconvenient to the average white Christian male. In particular, I am alarmed by your suggestion that we should not bother to accommodate others' customs on the basis that, were we to visit a Muslim country, they would not bother to accommodate ours. Forgive me if I am uninformed on the issue, but I was not aware we were attempting to model our society on a group of countries possessing some of the worst human rights records in existence.

I'm disappointed. I thought we were supposed to be better than that.

Yours, Jas.

Posted by Missiedith at December 1, 2003 5:39 PM
Comments

Whilst the arguments given in the gair rhydd are pretty poor the actual point is largely valid, well, the sexual discrimination one anyway.

Male anorexia is still a fairly small problem, however the number of male suffers of body dismorphia are increasing dramatically. This is a very serious and much ignored problem, but we're only men so who cares?

Regardless though, the very simple fact that there is a female only service and no male only service is sexually discriminating. It may only be a small factor but it is an imbalance, and therefore it goes against both the letter and the spirit of equality.

Posted by: Kevin at December 1, 2003 8:19 PM

ah, gair rhydd. i have yet to forgive them for printing my name with 3 e's in a happy anniversary small ad a friend placed.

Posted by: aileen at December 1, 2003 8:29 PM

i was too tired to read that but it looked good :)

Posted by: nayla at December 1, 2003 9:41 PM

I've always maintained a sceptical view of anything relating to sexual equality as it's somewhat reductive in itself.A lot of arguments on the subject seem to strive so much for equality to the point where differences that actually do exist between the sexes are ignored.If I was that militant in my approach to the growing 'matriarchal society' I'd probably demand some form of maternity leave should I ever have children.

Anyway,I think the racist tone in the article foreshadows anything else contained in it.Tis an impressive reply.

Posted by: Daniel at December 1, 2003 10:50 PM

nice point about the meat market nightclub

Posted by: Richard C at December 2, 2003 1:49 AM

Kevin: My first point was actually that I thought the swimming pool's policy was weak. And I completely agree that we often dangerously disregard stereotypically female illnesses in men. My point was that it was a poor argument for the case presented in the article. I was generally trying to just attack the article rather than support or attack the swimming pool's policy.

I actually find it circumstantially amusing that half the outrage is about how council tax is being spent, when in actual fact these writers are students. Meaning that they probably don't pay council tax. That's probably one of the least weak of their arguments, however, so I left it alone.

Posted by: Missiedith at December 2, 2003 2:34 AM

Oh I realise that you're not actually supporting discrimination. My point was that on a certain level you can't attack the article without dismissing what is actually a valid argument, even though it's poorly written.

Whilst picking the author up for not doing enough research is valid you didn't correct it, you rubbished the argument which achieves nothing. BDD is spread equally between male and female sufferers, but poor research in the original article downplayed the problem for everyone. Since you chose to only correct the female perspective I retaliated in kind.

Given how easy is was to take apart the original article on other aspects (only white men born in Wales pay the Council Tax there? Wow, I need to move!) I felt you were a bit harsh on the only somewhat valid point there actually was.

Posted by: Kevin at December 2, 2003 11:37 AM

Can't sleep do I'm doing some random surfing and found this entry. I'll put you down as another member of the Andrew Caldiecott fan club then ;) I'm so glad I don't have to work with that man next year.

Please, write in more letters like that more often. We're currently making up 90% of what goes on that page. The only 10% is written by small children with guns against their heads.

Posted by: Gary at August 25, 2004 12:43 AM
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